Posted: Apr 12 2005, 05:34 PM by Ladyhawk
The words in the title of this thread are those words that causes me the biggest trouble.
“LOVE” as the “love” of the universe is not the same as the human feeling “love”. That took me a lot of time to understand. Eddie gave me the word Compassion for this specific kind of love. Maybe it is a better word to use.
“ILLUSION” still troubles me as I can´t accept that a part of the Universe is called an illusion. To me it is all real, just different perspectives. Mostly due to the limited way our human bodies are created.
“ENLIGHTENMENT” as there seem to be several definitions on that word. If I “go to the bottom” with this, then God is the Universe in the state of “absolute zero” (-273,15 ºC). At that temperature nothing moves or changes. As soon as it heats up just a little bit life begins. But where did the heat come from?? How can something motionless eternally cold, suddenly be heated??? Even a consiousness IS something. It exists and moves. Where did it come from?
“PERFECT” If we are already perfect and there are noone here to be bettered. Then somebody, please, explain that contradiction to me. Why are we then hopelessly trying to achieve something we don´t even have a clue of? If we are so perfect and we are not really here as we don´t exist, why am I typing all this nonsence??
LIFE is contradiction.
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Two of the most important responses:
Posted: Apr 13 2005, 05:56 AM by Eddie
Actually, I didn’t give the word compassion.
There is no “human” compassion or “human” love because of the state of enlightenment. That’s a total myth… The “love” that is there is beyond the capacity of the human mind to understand and can only be known directly at an experiential level.
If we make a up word to try and describe what it is there, it cannot be done, because words are limited, as are thoughts and what is being described is infinite and ineffable. Consequently every time we try and define consciousness, god or Buddha etc, we limit it. But at the same time, people apparently want to become enlightened so a pointer is provided and the words love and compassion are used in this context: as pointers.
When operating from your natural state of enlightenment, then there is NO service to humanity as a form. The service is to God or ultimate reality. The two are different things.
You also have to remember that the physical form is not the enlightened thing. Our physical brains do not suddenly become enlightened. The remembrance that you are consciousnesses in ultimate reality is what may occur though. Form may then align itself with that rememberance..
This is not perceived through any of the physical senses; it is beyond the mind and form to perceive and is why it is ineffable in nature because it transcends mind and form. Pointing is really all that can be done from this perceptive. The only way you can know is to come and see for yourself.
On the illusion, if you understand that everything in the universe is dependent upon perception then conceptually that’s all that needs to be known… That’s all there is to it. In other words, there is no physical seeing of the illusion, you don’t see the illusion through your eyes for example.
If you understand that everything is illusion, bar one thing, then you can question everything conceptually. Does that table really exist, even though you physically see it for example? By chopping up everything in this manner, then eventually you’re left with the one thing that cannot be chopped up, which is the absolute.
Then your life changes, because instead of the concept that there is an illusion, there is a direct experience of oneness…. Functionally it works like this.
You perceive things without labels, concepts, dogmas, ideas, thoughts etc. An example would be seeing a rose. Physically I see a rose there just like anyone else. But what is different is that the “rose” is not labelled and no meaning is derived from the rose. For example, I don’t think about why the rose is there or if it smells good or not or if it’s pretty or not. So all that mental chatter either stops altogether for periods, or no attention is paid to the mental chatter of ego.
There is just an object there, that is the reflection of “I”, which is love. The “rose” then is experienced as “I” but with no one doing the observation of the rose. There is just “rose” (no labels though). However if I need to communicate with another human being (even though I know it’s I as a dis-identified entity), then I need to use the symbol “rose” as a starting place to understanding ultimate reality.
On enlightenment, I understand the confusion. Just to repeat, the confusion stems from the fact that we don’t have adequate words to describe it. So when terms like void or emptiness or nothing is used, it denotes that there is "nothing" there, which is not the actual case.
There is nothing there in terms of human conception. For example, there are no concepts, no ideas, no humans, no universe, no multiple universes. Absolute reality is devoid of these things. Yet at the same time we can point to some of the apparent qualities of Absolute Reality: eg., Unconditional acceptance, Intelligence, aliveness, awareness, love etc. Except that you have to remember that the pointing is not the thing itself. Like when I use intelligence, I only use it because it’s one of the closest words we have to the actual experience of the Absolute. The concept of intelligence is not there in other words, but something exists that is a bit like intelligence when it’s tried to be understood by a physical brain and conveyed to another.
Perfection: You are typing here because you believe you are a human being. As such you believe you are limited and in this limitation there is a perception of imperfection. In terms of a human form, at a deeper level you already know that nothing is what it appears to be, that something is fundamentally illusionary and that you’re limited as a human being. Most of the time, this is completely unconscious, as used in the psychological sense of the word.
In people it will manifest in many different ways. It can manifest as in “I don’t quite fit in”, “depression” , “things will be ok when I find someone to love and to love me”, “it will be ok when I become more compassionate”, “when I am enlightened, I will be in bliss”, “there has to be more to life”, “nothing works” etc…
So there is this underlying sense in all human beings to get things “right”, because they have identified with a limited perception of the world and the universe. This is a cognitive and experiential dissonance with the Absolute. In turn it manifests as a spiritual search, be it in this life time or in life times to come. You start to seek the answers, so that you can be “right”. You want to confirm that your on the right path, you want your version of enlightenment and so on…
When you find absolute truth though, you will find that right and wrong don’t exist nor does enlightenment. That’s the rub…
What exists is the Absolute, and when we know this directly, then we no longer identify ourselves as ego, but rather “know” with a sense beyond ordinary human knowing, that our real identity is God. In other words “I” is God, not Eddie.
Why then does this occur? Because its Gods nature to create, which includes creating the perception of illusion…
See it isn’t that God created the earth but rather God created the perception of an earth. It is God that wants to have that perception of what it’s like to live on this little speck of a planet and be a little speck of a human being, without knowing it’s all God fundamentally.
Even using the word create is a bit erroneous, because it implies a beginning and an end. This is eternal creation… it always was this way and always will be this way. The illusion will remain regardless of whether humanity as form survives or not. It is God experiencing God as a planet, as a star, as a universe as a rock, as a completely different universe, and so on.
To answer the question why? God loves experiences, all of them…
What is humanities purpose? To come to know this directly, so that God then has an experience of what it’s like for everyone to be awakened. Even if the world was destroyed tomorrow, all that would happen is that you would identify with energy. For example, a soul, going to heaven etc. At this level, you would reincarnate as some micro-organism and evolution would begin again. If that is not possible on this planet, then it would occur on another planet of even another universe. You may even reincarnate as a 3 arm creature or something we cannot imagine as yet.
Its “humanities” destiny to awaken, and there is nothing anyone can do about it. When humanity awakens then that will be an experience in consciousness of everyone awake. It will be illusion too, but everyone will know it is, and that will make the world of difference.
This is what is meant by everything coming together, everything will know God directly in this universe. When that occurs, there will be another universe somewhere, that won’t know God directly and the cycle continues. Always more universes created with different laws etc that don’t know they are God, and always eventually returning to source.
When this universe is destoyed it wont matter at all then. Becuase you allready are "I", allready are God. Then you will experience the totality of the illusion. Thats the ultimate "miracle"...
So take a load of and watch the show, all is good and all is happening as meant to be.
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Posted: Apr 13 2005, 07:06 PM by chip
to put it another way My Lady.........
Absolute zero does not mean a temprature, it means no matter whatsoever, and even the word 'spirit' is not accurate because we all have a concept of what 'spirit' may be, so it's called zero, no thing.
Matter surrounds it ( to put it simply,) and it permeates all froms. So we have this 'it' that has a body called by many names, female, your given name, your family name, your user name, your work title, grandma, mother, and all these have certain feelings, and obligations and mannerisms and perceptions, a whole mental construction attached to them. Will the real Ladyhawk please stand up? What is basic to all these is self aware consciousness. The closer one can get to self aware consciousness with no interferance from all the mental constucts the closer the 'real', the basic being is realised.
This basic being has no limitations it has no wants, no needs, it is full of it's self. This is what I mean by abundance of being. And this is often expressed as compassion by the person aware of it. It's called compassion because there is a feeling of abundance of self that is called compassion by those on the outside who see the affects of the person's inner experiencing.A lot is said about love....IMO, love is what moves us out of our shell. Attached love brings pain because of the nature of change. There are few who realise, " I can love, you need not love me back" and this is very close to the nature of compassion because there is no need attached to it. But it is not wise to give any loveup because it has some attachement to it, this is not a sterile existance nor are we dealing with a sterile basic being it's always pregnant with itself. We love at beginning love and move from there.
The world of illusion.....If we realise most of what we see is incomplete in our perception because we have limited 5 sense, and our judgement of what we see is colored by our conditioning, we have a pretty good working basis for understanding illusion. The greatest part of illusion is the seperatness we percieve between ourselves and the rest of the phenomanal world. Please notice the phrase "rest of the phenomenal world' as if what is beyond our percieved being is some kind of left overs, not directly related to us.
Ladyfriend, we exist in a cyclical world, with a cyclical body and a mind that percieves only cycles, it cannot grasp what has no beginning and end. It's not made for that. That we can have a concept of eternal is a wonderful marvel to me, based most likely, on observation of what appears to be relativly eternal to our own cycling. The only way I know to experienceit is thru meditation in a state that has no object and no act of perception, hence no time. it is also here that indivisable occurrs and changes perception of seperatness.
So, what is the up shot here? All forms are patterned on one basic universal awareness, it's judged to be most evident in human beings on this planet. Because it is so basic to existance we wish to explore it as our most basic identity. Because we all have to swim thru our individualise patterns of conditioning to get to it we choose what seems the best way. And along the way encounter more subtle forms of conditioning that may sidetrack us a little into views that are not right on target. But not to worry, as long as we keep saying 'maybe not this' we will come to a point beyond which there is nothing further. It's built into our hard drive, each and everyone of us, our destiny.
http://spiritual-forum.net/iboard/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=1017&hl=perfection&s=1c92df206374515334f68c4f9ef1bf86
2005-02-20
Important decision, cameradream
I had a very profound dream this morning. Lately I have dreamt a lot about a dream concerning computers and saving work. That dream comes now and then in slightly different versions. And they are quite annoying as I don´t understand them. So last night I told myself I will not dream any dreams I don´t understand. It´s no point in that, just wast of time.
So, this is what I dreamt this morning:
I was in India, on a marketplace in a tent. I was visiting someone. Then I did see an old camera. Much like my old one. It seemed to be very long (broad) according to the container it was in. When I reach for it the owner came. He allowed me to turn it carefully, but I was not allowed to open the protective leather container. So I could not see it was a mordern version or a bellow one. In an opening beside the camera I found old stuff like batteries, flashlamps and other things. I found the tent a bit odd. The shelves that things stood on was not visible. When I asked for the price the owner was gone. I could not get the price or the figure to calculate kr to Indian money. I was holding the camera so nobody should take it and waited, trying to figure out the cost. I looked around to see if my bag with the creditcard was OK and saw that pixiwings was watching it. After a while, when the owner still had not come back, I put the camera back on that invisible shelf. Thought that if it was so hard to try to purchase, it was not worth the trouble. So, I prepared to leave. And I have to make a decision. Shall I wait or shall I go. I know that if I go I might not find the place again or if I find it the camera might be gone. The only chance to purchase the camera is to stay put.
-And that was it.
Well, this I understand, it describes the present situation. I am in a foreign country and don´t know the surroundings. I am in a marketplace. The camera is likely to be “enlightenment” as I have wished for. And tried to achieve. BUT, as in the dream, I don´t know how to do it and are not given any instructions on how to do it as the “owner” dissappeared. I can´t buy the camera as the owner are not there, I don´t know the price or the exchangevalue to my money. I don´t know how much I have on my creditcard.
The dream stoped before I left the tent.
The fact that I have never found any “spiritual path that suits me” is the denial of instruction. As I am pretty tired of waiting I am getting to a point where I can leave without looking back. Or regretting doing that. If I decide to stay I might have to wait so long I might starve to death before the “owner” comes back. And I still take the risk of not having the means or purchasing the goods.
OK, this is a huge metaphore. If you get the general idéa of what I am saying and has any comments on that. Feel free to tell me.
The main question is if I shall take the chance to stay and wait, or if I shall leave this whole search. Is it worth the waiting????? So far I have not seen anything that makes it worth the effort.
http://spiritual-forum.net/iboard/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=814&hl=camera&s=5933c34604bdfaa57aecc44c392b028b
There are a lot on that thread. Among it a summary in response to chip.
and:
050221
It´s like something I actually got confirmed in the text of Osho´s. It´s like somebody cuts bits and pieces out of me and I don´t understand anything. Right now I have had some rough months and I am tired. Spirituality is not my choice really. I admit it was quite exciting when I was around 20-40. But the past 5 years has been nasty.
Sometimes I think I am mad, but from bits and pieces of what you guys have shared, I know I am not mad.Nothing wrong with the mind and brain.
So, this is what I dreamt this morning:
I was in India, on a marketplace in a tent. I was visiting someone. Then I did see an old camera. Much like my old one. It seemed to be very long (broad) according to the container it was in. When I reach for it the owner came. He allowed me to turn it carefully, but I was not allowed to open the protective leather container. So I could not see it was a mordern version or a bellow one. In an opening beside the camera I found old stuff like batteries, flashlamps and other things. I found the tent a bit odd. The shelves that things stood on was not visible. When I asked for the price the owner was gone. I could not get the price or the figure to calculate kr to Indian money. I was holding the camera so nobody should take it and waited, trying to figure out the cost. I looked around to see if my bag with the creditcard was OK and saw that pixiwings was watching it. After a while, when the owner still had not come back, I put the camera back on that invisible shelf. Thought that if it was so hard to try to purchase, it was not worth the trouble. So, I prepared to leave. And I have to make a decision. Shall I wait or shall I go. I know that if I go I might not find the place again or if I find it the camera might be gone. The only chance to purchase the camera is to stay put.
-And that was it.
Well, this I understand, it describes the present situation. I am in a foreign country and don´t know the surroundings. I am in a marketplace. The camera is likely to be “enlightenment” as I have wished for. And tried to achieve. BUT, as in the dream, I don´t know how to do it and are not given any instructions on how to do it as the “owner” dissappeared. I can´t buy the camera as the owner are not there, I don´t know the price or the exchangevalue to my money. I don´t know how much I have on my creditcard.
The dream stoped before I left the tent.
The fact that I have never found any “spiritual path that suits me” is the denial of instruction. As I am pretty tired of waiting I am getting to a point where I can leave without looking back. Or regretting doing that. If I decide to stay I might have to wait so long I might starve to death before the “owner” comes back. And I still take the risk of not having the means or purchasing the goods.
OK, this is a huge metaphore. If you get the general idéa of what I am saying and has any comments on that. Feel free to tell me.
The main question is if I shall take the chance to stay and wait, or if I shall leave this whole search. Is it worth the waiting????? So far I have not seen anything that makes it worth the effort.
http://spiritual-forum.net/iboard/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=814&hl=camera&s=5933c34604bdfaa57aecc44c392b028b
There are a lot on that thread. Among it a summary in response to chip.
and:
050221
It´s like something I actually got confirmed in the text of Osho´s. It´s like somebody cuts bits and pieces out of me and I don´t understand anything. Right now I have had some rough months and I am tired. Spirituality is not my choice really. I admit it was quite exciting when I was around 20-40. But the past 5 years has been nasty.
Sometimes I think I am mad, but from bits and pieces of what you guys have shared, I know I am not mad.Nothing wrong with the mind and brain.
2005-01-29
The Path
Posted: Jan 29 2005, 11:47 PM by Ladyhawk on SDF
The Path
The two paths, forest and spiritual, both can get seriously devastated. That happened to me and “my” forest three weeks ago. And yet, the forest was able to comfort me. In the forest I now have to learn to walk around the trees that has fallen down and to avoid branches that might fall down.
The spiritual path is somewhat similar to the forest path. Now I have to learn to walk and find new paths to be able to continue. Nothing is certain, a lot is unfamiliar. I have no map and has to go on “gut feeling”. But, down at the lake, there are a nice sunset waiting for me. Will I see it? Sure I will, with a little help from my friends.
Posted: Dec 29 2004, 08:16 PM by chip
Ladyhawk,you are going to hear a lot of advice, most of it relativly true, I am going to give you the bottom line, which everything else relates to.
You know that stillness that we talk about, and that 'blue hour' in the day? THAT is when you are feeling the influence of the ONE. That is as close as you can get to the ONE in your sensory consciousness. This is what the ONE is, this absolute stillness that is the background for all activity, from the whirling of the atom to the spinning of the universe and everything between. And YOU, Ladyhawk, can sit on the ground at sunset and sense it, become close to it.ALL activity, from that of the light workers to the devas and spiritual beings have thier grounding in this stillness. I will tell you a secret, the divinity does NOTHING. It does not plan, it does not take action, it does not interfere in our affairs. For almost everyone that is one scary notion, that WE are totaly responsable for our outcome. But it's built into us, we MUST return to our source. The beauty of the deal is that matter cannot hold us, because it encompassees the unchanging with that which constantly changes, and in time, even if we did nothing, the matter would gradualy fall away and we would become more and more revealed to ourselves as that perfect stillness.
So, if the divinity does not intrest itself in our affairs and is so perfectly still why should it matter to us? Because it is our primeary nature, and it is TOTALY aware, and so complete it's nature is of unspeakable abundance we call love.The bottom line ( and I repeat myself) is the stillness in which ALL beings, devas humans, demons and angels have thier being. It is a consciouse aware silence/stillness. I will tell you something, I ignored the visions, the music, the voices, and went like an arrow, like a knife cutting straight to the heart, for the ONE. Everything else was superfulouse. And in the final measure, everything else, IS superfulouse.
Second reason for seeking the ONE, to put an end to our pain.Next time you experience the blue hour, or the stillness, embrace it and let it embrace you, you've felt it's blessing before, open your heart to it. And then give it away to all of life, whether they recognise it or not. For this cannot be kept and retain it's nature. You will be all right my friend.The battle between the angels and the demons is fought in many fields, and the second coming of Christ has happened many times already. Let go off both angels and demons, they are NOT the one.Let go of the negative visions and the positive visions, they are NOT the one. Be only an observer which is what the ONE is. Simplify your goal, and your approach. We move from the many to the one, from the complex to the simple. I am you speaking to you, hear, ponder if you choose, and then let go of this too, it's not the ONE.It does not move, it's eternal, it does not have power, it is still. It is eternaly everywhere and eternally aware.
Namaste' Ladyhawk.
http://spiritual-forum.net/iboard/index.php?act=ST&f=19&t=592&hl=empty+space&s=2212482b9de08db601dfea808407e371
The Path
The two paths, forest and spiritual, both can get seriously devastated. That happened to me and “my” forest three weeks ago. And yet, the forest was able to comfort me. In the forest I now have to learn to walk around the trees that has fallen down and to avoid branches that might fall down.
The spiritual path is somewhat similar to the forest path. Now I have to learn to walk and find new paths to be able to continue. Nothing is certain, a lot is unfamiliar. I have no map and has to go on “gut feeling”. But, down at the lake, there are a nice sunset waiting for me. Will I see it? Sure I will, with a little help from my friends.
Posted: Dec 29 2004, 08:16 PM by chip
Ladyhawk,you are going to hear a lot of advice, most of it relativly true, I am going to give you the bottom line, which everything else relates to.
You know that stillness that we talk about, and that 'blue hour' in the day? THAT is when you are feeling the influence of the ONE. That is as close as you can get to the ONE in your sensory consciousness. This is what the ONE is, this absolute stillness that is the background for all activity, from the whirling of the atom to the spinning of the universe and everything between. And YOU, Ladyhawk, can sit on the ground at sunset and sense it, become close to it.ALL activity, from that of the light workers to the devas and spiritual beings have thier grounding in this stillness. I will tell you a secret, the divinity does NOTHING. It does not plan, it does not take action, it does not interfere in our affairs. For almost everyone that is one scary notion, that WE are totaly responsable for our outcome. But it's built into us, we MUST return to our source. The beauty of the deal is that matter cannot hold us, because it encompassees the unchanging with that which constantly changes, and in time, even if we did nothing, the matter would gradualy fall away and we would become more and more revealed to ourselves as that perfect stillness.
So, if the divinity does not intrest itself in our affairs and is so perfectly still why should it matter to us? Because it is our primeary nature, and it is TOTALY aware, and so complete it's nature is of unspeakable abundance we call love.The bottom line ( and I repeat myself) is the stillness in which ALL beings, devas humans, demons and angels have thier being. It is a consciouse aware silence/stillness. I will tell you something, I ignored the visions, the music, the voices, and went like an arrow, like a knife cutting straight to the heart, for the ONE. Everything else was superfulouse. And in the final measure, everything else, IS superfulouse.
Second reason for seeking the ONE, to put an end to our pain.Next time you experience the blue hour, or the stillness, embrace it and let it embrace you, you've felt it's blessing before, open your heart to it. And then give it away to all of life, whether they recognise it or not. For this cannot be kept and retain it's nature. You will be all right my friend.The battle between the angels and the demons is fought in many fields, and the second coming of Christ has happened many times already. Let go off both angels and demons, they are NOT the one.Let go of the negative visions and the positive visions, they are NOT the one. Be only an observer which is what the ONE is. Simplify your goal, and your approach. We move from the many to the one, from the complex to the simple. I am you speaking to you, hear, ponder if you choose, and then let go of this too, it's not the ONE.It does not move, it's eternal, it does not have power, it is still. It is eternaly everywhere and eternally aware.
Namaste' Ladyhawk.
http://spiritual-forum.net/iboard/index.php?act=ST&f=19&t=592&hl=empty+space&s=2212482b9de08db601dfea808407e371
2004-11-26
Guided to destiny
Posted: Nov 26 2004, 05:28 PM by Ladyhawk
Hi everybody, I´ll try to go back to the reason why I started the thread “destiny”. Most of you love to discuss the eternal in a metaphysical way. I wanted this to be more “down to earth”. I have noticed that a lot of people recognise karma, spirits, guides, God and a faith that you are always where you should be. According to circumstances. At the same time you recognice only your own effort. It is YOU that will take you there. Not any unseen spirit or force. You make your own destiny according to old karma. That is a huge contradiction. How can you chose your sorrows, hardships and joys that matches your karma when you don´t know what the karma is??? And if you knew, wouldn´t you avoid the bad parts?I tell you, the spirits and the divine is masters in conspiracy. In my life I cant say I have achieved anything on my own. So many times I tried to do something and it was impossible. No matter how hard I tried. That goes for both work, relationships and for spiritual paths and growth. To me it is very true that the Divine interfears with my life. Decides where I shall go. I just have to follow. To chose a single path, that some of you seem to have, is impossible to me. Blindfolded I have to go in the direction given. Where I will end up? Don´t know. Ask the One.
Posted: Nov 27 2004, 01:19 AM
When It comes to you I also thought of what you told in the other post. About your sickness and then your work. I had a very hard worksituation earlier. It drew me to resign and make myself unemployed roe a while. Then I asked a small company for work. They said not now. I got another job and learned some things I did not know before. That job ended after 6 months. Then I was stoped on the street by the man I asked before. He now asked about my jobsituation and offered me a job. I took it. After some time I realised that what I had learned on the other temporary job was what I needed to fix this new job. I have been at this job for 4 years now. It is close to home, I have a quiet job without stress and I often go home early. Gives me a lot of time for spiritual thinking and nature walks. And for some reason, I am finally a designing engineer.I needed this. I can´t help but think it was somehow arranged.Another time I was denied by a voice to go into healing. I was not given an explanation but I think it was because I should not "shatter" my thinking.On the net, two different, to me unknown people, advised me to write to the same person when I needed help. Coincidence? Hardly!I Have a lot of those things. Don´t you?
Hi everybody, I´ll try to go back to the reason why I started the thread “destiny”. Most of you love to discuss the eternal in a metaphysical way. I wanted this to be more “down to earth”. I have noticed that a lot of people recognise karma, spirits, guides, God and a faith that you are always where you should be. According to circumstances. At the same time you recognice only your own effort. It is YOU that will take you there. Not any unseen spirit or force. You make your own destiny according to old karma. That is a huge contradiction. How can you chose your sorrows, hardships and joys that matches your karma when you don´t know what the karma is??? And if you knew, wouldn´t you avoid the bad parts?I tell you, the spirits and the divine is masters in conspiracy. In my life I cant say I have achieved anything on my own. So many times I tried to do something and it was impossible. No matter how hard I tried. That goes for both work, relationships and for spiritual paths and growth. To me it is very true that the Divine interfears with my life. Decides where I shall go. I just have to follow. To chose a single path, that some of you seem to have, is impossible to me. Blindfolded I have to go in the direction given. Where I will end up? Don´t know. Ask the One.
Posted: Nov 27 2004, 01:19 AM
When It comes to you I also thought of what you told in the other post. About your sickness and then your work. I had a very hard worksituation earlier. It drew me to resign and make myself unemployed roe a while. Then I asked a small company for work. They said not now. I got another job and learned some things I did not know before. That job ended after 6 months. Then I was stoped on the street by the man I asked before. He now asked about my jobsituation and offered me a job. I took it. After some time I realised that what I had learned on the other temporary job was what I needed to fix this new job. I have been at this job for 4 years now. It is close to home, I have a quiet job without stress and I often go home early. Gives me a lot of time for spiritual thinking and nature walks. And for some reason, I am finally a designing engineer.I needed this. I can´t help but think it was somehow arranged.Another time I was denied by a voice to go into healing. I was not given an explanation but I think it was because I should not "shatter" my thinking.On the net, two different, to me unknown people, advised me to write to the same person when I needed help. Coincidence? Hardly!I Have a lot of those things. Don´t you?
2004-09-06
Empty Space
Posted: Sep 6 2004, 12:03 PM by Ladyhawk on SDF
Hi all,why am I hanging like an idiot in an emty space? with nowhere to go, noplace to stay and nothing to say! If there really are someone looking after me …….why am I being left in this emty space, it´s like a huge void???Reading your posts gives me a feeling of togetherness even if I don´t understand half of what you are saying (right yam? ) Everybody seem so busy following your paths or finding new ones. I envy you. Does any beliefsystem have an answer???
http://spiritual-forum.net/iboard/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=324&hl=empty+space&s=2212482b9de08db601dfea808407e371
Hi all,why am I hanging like an idiot in an emty space? with nowhere to go, noplace to stay and nothing to say! If there really are someone looking after me …….why am I being left in this emty space, it´s like a huge void???Reading your posts gives me a feeling of togetherness even if I don´t understand half of what you are saying (right yam? ) Everybody seem so busy following your paths or finding new ones. I envy you. Does any beliefsystem have an answer???
http://spiritual-forum.net/iboard/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=324&hl=empty+space&s=2212482b9de08db601dfea808407e371
2004-08-15
Snake meditation
Something nice happened today that I´d like to share with you all.
I have a lake 15 min by bike from my where I live. I use to go there a lot. So today. I was alone and the sun came through. Ad to that a little wind and the sound from trees and water. Makes me go into meditation mode. So I sat down and drifted away. After a while I could sense a precence and opened my eyes. Between me and the water was a snake. It´s tail almost tuching my leg. It was streched out, bending the head backwards, watching me. I sat still, this snake is harmless, and then it coiled (ran?) away down the cliff towards the water.
When it was out of sight I resumed meditaion. After a while something tickles my leg. Looking down I see the snake trying to enter under my leg. Instinctively I lifted my leg a bit. If I hadn´t moved it had come up to my lap. But now it moved away. Then I saw to that it got back into the forest. And the meditation was over for this time.
I have a lake 15 min by bike from my where I live. I use to go there a lot. So today. I was alone and the sun came through. Ad to that a little wind and the sound from trees and water. Makes me go into meditation mode. So I sat down and drifted away. After a while I could sense a precence and opened my eyes. Between me and the water was a snake. It´s tail almost tuching my leg. It was streched out, bending the head backwards, watching me. I sat still, this snake is harmless, and then it coiled (ran?) away down the cliff towards the water.
When it was out of sight I resumed meditaion. After a while something tickles my leg. Looking down I see the snake trying to enter under my leg. Instinctively I lifted my leg a bit. If I hadn´t moved it had come up to my lap. But now it moved away. Then I saw to that it got back into the forest. And the meditation was over for this time.
2004-08-08
Shaman & Helix dream
"I don´t remember the beginning of the dream, but then I visited a man, probably a shaman, that should analyse my spiritual situation, how far I have come and what I have to do to continue spiritually. The room had white walls with no decorations on them. He layed down on a bench and got into a trance. Then it started to come out a huge amount of smoke from his closed right eye, the nostrils, mouth and ears. His left eye was glowing under the lid and through a tiny slit. Very bright. Above the eye was hovering a redglowing spiral (Helix type). When he woke up I tried to tell him what I had seen, but he did not want to hear. He reach for a small doll, looked carefully on it. Then put his finger on a point between the middle (vertical) chestbone and the right side nipple. Here, you have to press here he said. And the dream ended." This is a lot of symbols and I don´t understand a thing. What does the smoke and spiral mean??? And why shall I press that point? Hope you can help
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Hello Ladyhawk, As you most likely already know symbols are the language of the subconsciouse, the soul....it doesn't speak English If you don't already do it I would suggest keeping a dream journal, in addition jot down notes about the days events. And date both entries. After a period of time you'll notice any outstanding event in a day will have a dream symbol three days prior to the happening, you'll see a pattern developing between certain symbols and specific events.This is what I make of your dream......first you encountered a shaman, this indicates you need to make a self healing, then he gave you the answer as to what needs healing.... the helix on the left side indicates what you are responding to, your early enviroment, what you inherited by way of negative impressions resulting in negative judgements. The smoke coming out of the right eye means an inability to see clearly based on these judgements. Because of the symbols used by your subconciouse I think these 'negativities' are very subtle and you'll have to examine to see where and what they are.The doll is you. ( it can also indicate childhood and or children) that the shaman pressed the RIGHT side, near the heart area is how you will progress. The left is what we recieve, the right is what we do with it in the world. He pressed the doll near the heart area on the right side.You can put these symbols together for yourself better then I can for you know the particular elements of your life they may pertain to. But I would guess that this is an urge from your subconsciouse to do a lot of practicing of gererosity, including but not limited to, forgiveness. Not holding on to pain or hurt or constricting emotional judgements.I find it intersting that your dreams are so vivid and sequencial Ladyhawk, this in itself is an indication of increased growth.Hope this may have given you some insight into resolving your questions re the dream. Any insights you can come up with on your own will be more valuable then mine, as there are always other levels involved.
Shanti to us all, light in our eye
2004-07-24
Aura Meditation
Aura Meditation (from a letter to S)
Yesterday I sat down to meditate before breakfast. As I am on holiday I can do that. I thought that maybee the stomach digesting kind of spoils meditation.
I tried to get out of the body into the aura. And I think I made it. But the aura was grey. Not colorful. I was scared and tried to clean it. Have I messed up that much? I had a dream also in the morning before that. "I was getting a job at my old company but I was given a job in the archive just making blueprints, not as an engineer. And I was trying to get my old job back:" I made a connection in my meditation that I might have spoiled my chances to go farther in my development.
I was searching the net for auracolors. It is obvioulsy so that it can be grey. But people did not seem to agree about the meaning of it.
This morning I meditated again before breakfast:
I was able to create te eggshaped aura again and I was trying to clean the aura. I opend the "watersystem" above my head and let the water flow. I took a brush and started to scrub the aura from top down. It was not as to scrub of dirt as I intended, but to remove a rubber-layer. It was hard. It´s like the meditation lived it´s own life, turning meditation into vision. Not controlled by me. I manage to remove the layer and saw some auracolors beneath it but they were faint. I took a step back to watch it and was quite pleased with the job. The "rubber sheet" laying around its base. And then I saw "the tall man" in the middle of the aura, his head above the aura. Slightly turned away from me. When he "faced" me I could feel a tiny smile of approval coming towards me.Then he bent down, took the layer from the aura-base and put it back on his "shoulder", like a cloak, also covering the aura. But he did not button up entierly, his "head" was still free and I could see a glimpse of the aura. And then the meditation/vision ended itself.
Yesterday I sat down to meditate before breakfast. As I am on holiday I can do that. I thought that maybee the stomach digesting kind of spoils meditation.
I tried to get out of the body into the aura. And I think I made it. But the aura was grey. Not colorful. I was scared and tried to clean it. Have I messed up that much? I had a dream also in the morning before that. "I was getting a job at my old company but I was given a job in the archive just making blueprints, not as an engineer. And I was trying to get my old job back:" I made a connection in my meditation that I might have spoiled my chances to go farther in my development.
I was searching the net for auracolors. It is obvioulsy so that it can be grey. But people did not seem to agree about the meaning of it.
This morning I meditated again before breakfast:
I was able to create te eggshaped aura again and I was trying to clean the aura. I opend the "watersystem" above my head and let the water flow. I took a brush and started to scrub the aura from top down. It was not as to scrub of dirt as I intended, but to remove a rubber-layer. It was hard. It´s like the meditation lived it´s own life, turning meditation into vision. Not controlled by me. I manage to remove the layer and saw some auracolors beneath it but they were faint. I took a step back to watch it and was quite pleased with the job. The "rubber sheet" laying around its base. And then I saw "the tall man" in the middle of the aura, his head above the aura. Slightly turned away from me. When he "faced" me I could feel a tiny smile of approval coming towards me.Then he bent down, took the layer from the aura-base and put it back on his "shoulder", like a cloak, also covering the aura. But he did not button up entierly, his "head" was still free and I could see a glimpse of the aura. And then the meditation/vision ended itself.
2004-07-12
Time Train, altered consciousness
This is something that happened during the weeks May and June when I took care of my grandkids as my daughter was in hospital. I did not really realise it at the time, it came later, as it happend a similar thing again. During those days it was rather much to do. One day I noticed that I was sitting on a train. (not a dream some kind of vision) It was an oldfashioned train with heavy curtains in front of the windows. I noticed the rails was turning upwords like a wheel. The train “moving” on that rail, but my position was not changed. My mind or self was sitting on that train, looking out of the window and saw my body going about her business driving kids, cooking, washing and such. It was as my soul escaped into that timetrain, just sitting, following the things happening in the "real" world as the time went by. I noticed it now and then. Afterwords I realise it went on for I think at least two days. It seemed to be a way to keep the self at peace at the same time I cared for kids and work. I was still in that train compartment, the outside world moving with that “time-rail”.
If that is something that can be mastered at will it would be a splendid tool to keep serenity. Is it possible???
If that is something that can be mastered at will it would be a splendid tool to keep serenity. Is it possible???
2004-05-08
Tall Man dream
I came home to my appartment. It was almost empty and I saw a very tall man sending my things away. I reached him only to his waistline. He was dressen in grey. I was angry and attacked him. I get one of his fingers and I bit it, to try to make him stop sending my things away. He did not seem to be hurt or cared by my bitting so my anger stoped and I calmed down, then I looked around me, thought that it did not matter all that much.
Then he turned towards me saying: I take your things away because you should not really be here.
Then he turned towards me saying: I take your things away because you should not really be here.
2003-12-12
Rising vision
A vision coming when I sat at the kitchen table at work. It seem to be connected to that Maze-vision.
I was sitting in that white nothingness. Waiting. As I have been since that vision. Then I rise, slowly. Have you ever been 150% aware of something you have done? I could feel every musle, every movement that took me up to standing position. Rolling up, with the head rising last. And I grew a lot bigger in that procedure. You know, it was just like a movie when something rises and grows at the same time. A strange feeling.
I was sitting in that white nothingness. Waiting. As I have been since that vision. Then I rise, slowly. Have you ever been 150% aware of something you have done? I could feel every musle, every movement that took me up to standing position. Rolling up, with the head rising last. And I grew a lot bigger in that procedure. You know, it was just like a movie when something rises and grows at the same time. A strange feeling.
2003-09-16
I AM
...I AM….the beginning
...I AM… the end
...I ..A M
I was at the lake and the sunset invited me to meditation. I felt the warmth to my face and chest. The light shone bright through the eyelids shifting slightly due to the water. Then the words came to my mind, hesitating at first as having trouble coming through. Then after a few moments my mind had to prove its cleverness and the precious moment was over.
I think I am finely introduced.
Just wanted to share.
2003-09-09
Into atoms
030909
I had forgotten about this, I got a mail from a friend:
Dear Aurora,
.
You are now in safe hands and should only learn to let
go and flow with the current. You should try not to
have any plans or objectives of your own. Surrender
everything but still feel responsible for your role in
this world. Just do your duties without any attachment
and enjoy the freedom of not wanting anything.
You are now within the gravity of the 'sun' and
whether you like it or not you will go 'zooming' right
into it.
S
And my reaction:
030909 what happend?
Dear S,
,just wonder what happend. When I opend your mail and started to read I got “pumped” up with an energyrush, I think. It is hard to explain the feeling but it was like wild water inside and around me. I did not leave my body, I know how that feels, but it was as if my body was dissolving into atoms, swirling around. It was hard to continue reading. It lasted a long time, only gradually disappearing.
With the “gravity of the sun” I guess you mean the pull from “The Universal” one or “The White light”. I won´t fight it.
I had forgotten about this, I got a mail from a friend:
Dear Aurora,
.
You are now in safe hands and should only learn to let
go and flow with the current. You should try not to
have any plans or objectives of your own. Surrender
everything but still feel responsible for your role in
this world. Just do your duties without any attachment
and enjoy the freedom of not wanting anything.
You are now within the gravity of the 'sun' and
whether you like it or not you will go 'zooming' right
into it.
S
And my reaction:
030909 what happend?
Dear S,
,just wonder what happend. When I opend your mail and started to read I got “pumped” up with an energyrush, I think. It is hard to explain the feeling but it was like wild water inside and around me. I did not leave my body, I know how that feels, but it was as if my body was dissolving into atoms, swirling around. It was hard to continue reading. It lasted a long time, only gradually disappearing.
With the “gravity of the sun” I guess you mean the pull from “The Universal” one or “The White light”. I won´t fight it.
2003-06-13
Removal of Entity
In spring 2003 I met a man from UK online. He said he was alarmed when he saw my ad for friends and he wanted to help. He asked me a little and I told him some that had happened. He has a woman friend that has some gifts. He calls her a “resque medium”. He arranged a “sitting”. I had to concentrate on her name at a certain time and she worked on my name. I did get some feelings during that time she investigated me so I wrote to get some explanation. This is his response:
Hi A,
Do not be alarmed or frightened at anything that I write because I am going to explain exactly what has happened to you and how it came about in the first place. The first thing I have to say is do not meditate or do anything spiritual for the next 3 months and that is a must until the energies clear around you.
When we leave this life we pass to the next level of existence and some people do not realise that they have died and they are lost, you are a very sensitive lady and when you went into meditation your light was very bright indeed. In fact your light was bright green and that colour we associate with The Universal One and very few have that colour. A young man had died and was lost in the spirit world and when he saw your light he thought he had found God and attached himself to you, what you felt when you sat for that period of time was my friend Connie removing that young man from you and sending him into the light.
You might think that is all very strange but every word is true because I understand it all through experience the hard way. If you decide to do spiritual work at the end of the three months I have been told to tell you that you must learn to protect yourself from this ever happening again and also to read any books on psychic self defence. There are things that you must learn like opening and closing your Chakras once you understand these things I cannot see any reason why you should not do healing but I will check it out for you at the end of the 3 months if you want me to.
I hope that what I have written makes sense to you and you can understand what has happen and if you require any help on your spiritual path I am more than willing to help
Take Care
B
Hi B,
thank you for that explanation.
It is scary because during that time when I was at yogaschool I had that feeling of a "presence" I could not figure out what it was so I called it an "entity". Before it disapperaed from my awareness I had a dream of a young war-victim dieing in a box fileld with water. Just before he died I got him out of there. After that dream I could not feel that "entity" anymore and I kind of missed it. But from what you write now I think he was just hidden.
Believe me, I will follow your advice. Please send my thanks to Connie.
By for now
A
Note: looking back I see that Entity was with me for about 3 years.
Hi A,
Do not be alarmed or frightened at anything that I write because I am going to explain exactly what has happened to you and how it came about in the first place. The first thing I have to say is do not meditate or do anything spiritual for the next 3 months and that is a must until the energies clear around you.
When we leave this life we pass to the next level of existence and some people do not realise that they have died and they are lost, you are a very sensitive lady and when you went into meditation your light was very bright indeed. In fact your light was bright green and that colour we associate with The Universal One and very few have that colour. A young man had died and was lost in the spirit world and when he saw your light he thought he had found God and attached himself to you, what you felt when you sat for that period of time was my friend Connie removing that young man from you and sending him into the light.
You might think that is all very strange but every word is true because I understand it all through experience the hard way. If you decide to do spiritual work at the end of the three months I have been told to tell you that you must learn to protect yourself from this ever happening again and also to read any books on psychic self defence. There are things that you must learn like opening and closing your Chakras once you understand these things I cannot see any reason why you should not do healing but I will check it out for you at the end of the 3 months if you want me to.
I hope that what I have written makes sense to you and you can understand what has happen and if you require any help on your spiritual path I am more than willing to help
Take Care
B
Hi B,
thank you for that explanation.
It is scary because during that time when I was at yogaschool I had that feeling of a "presence" I could not figure out what it was so I called it an "entity". Before it disapperaed from my awareness I had a dream of a young war-victim dieing in a box fileld with water. Just before he died I got him out of there. After that dream I could not feel that "entity" anymore and I kind of missed it. But from what you write now I think he was just hidden.
Believe me, I will follow your advice. Please send my thanks to Connie.
By for now
A
Note: looking back I see that Entity was with me for about 3 years.
2002-09-13
Black window vision
I was in the bathtub after been to aerobics. Suddenly there was a black window in front of me. I leaned forward and put my head into it to see. It was like peeking in to some other world maybe. What I sensed was a presence, A VAST LONLINESS AND EMPTINESS. Like the universe itself without the stars. The universe is alone as I understood it. I withdraw my head and it was over.
Is this where we are heading? If so, why would we like to do that? There were no warmth about it as I expected it to be and it had nothing to do with "love" in any form. It was not even NOTHINGNESS.This lasted for maybe 30 seconds.
Is this where we are heading? If so, why would we like to do that? There were no warmth about it as I expected it to be and it had nothing to do with "love" in any form. It was not even NOTHINGNESS.This lasted for maybe 30 seconds.
2002-08-18
Waiting Father
Dreamt again. Nowadays I dream a lot. Never did that before. This time it made me thoughtful.
Here it is:
“It was late evening/night and dark. I was at some meeting and my father was supposed to drive me home. He is old and fragile nowadays. But he had to drive me. I told him to wait on a sofa, there were something I had to do before leaving. I concentrated of doing whatever I had to do and forgot about the waiting father. When I was almost finished I suddenly remembered and hurried for the sofa. He was still waiting. He said that he could not go home before I could go with him. HE HAD TO BRING ME HOME. “
Here it is:
“It was late evening/night and dark. I was at some meeting and my father was supposed to drive me home. He is old and fragile nowadays. But he had to drive me. I told him to wait on a sofa, there were something I had to do before leaving. I concentrated of doing whatever I had to do and forgot about the waiting father. When I was almost finished I suddenly remembered and hurried for the sofa. He was still waiting. He said that he could not go home before I could go with him. HE HAD TO BRING ME HOME. “
2002-06-23
Rotten stump
I am frustrated. More then I have been for a long time. What bother me most is that I am so completely out of control. I can do nothing. I cant meditate, I can´t stop the process. I can´t slow it down and I can´t speed it up and get it over and done with. I can do nothing. I feel so helpless.
I don´t feel alone because I have always been “alone” and are used to that. But I am getting empty. Last friday, midsummer eve, I took a walk in the forest. It was a rainy day and I was supposed to have dinner with my sister later on. As soon as I got into the forest my hands get heated up. But this time energy was drawn away from me. At first I did not care. Thought of your letter and accepted it. But then I it was getting to much and there was nothing coming in to replace it. To make the story short I have to say that for the first time I took to violence. I saw a rotten stump and I kicked it into a milion pieces. Then I took my umbrella and hit it as hard as I could to a trunk. The umbrella was broken and I started to cry hysterically. I ended up with a headache. I hated them. I wanted to build the walls again. It was terrible.
I pulled myself together and got home. Put some good music on and made the dinner.
2002-02-17
Out of the Maze
Dear S,
Something happened today that I just have to tell you about.
I had just started my workout to strengthen my back and neck. Then I had a vision. It lasted only for a brief moment. But I think it is very important. If this showed the thruth than I am so relieved.
“I found myself sitting on my heels. The world around me was just shades of white. There were nothing to see as it was empty. The ground became sky without any noticeable line or horizon. A naked tree stood to the right beside a path leading nowhere. I stood up and turned around. Behind my back I saw a wall or a house. It had no openings and no structures on it. I immediately knew what it was. It was the maze that had hold me prisonor for so many years. I turn around again and looked around hesitating about what to do. There seemed to be no reason to leave the place as there was no place to go. No path to take. So I just sat down again waiting for something to happen. “
I think I have told you about the maze. How I have had the feeling of being in one. Always trying to find a way out of it. And everytime I thought I succeded I found a new wall in front of me. Imprisoned again. And now, for the fist time ever. I was outside the maze. Is it not wonderful?? So maybe you were right, looks like something happens to me after all.
Last summer when I was so trubbled I was angry and feeling like an obstinat teenager. I said to myself, I will never do anything again to try to get out of this maze or to be enlightened. I will sit in a corner, doing nothing, till I rotten. And in a way, that’s what I have been doing ever since then. AND NOW I AM OUT.
I wonder what will happen next. Who will take my hand and show me around in this new world??
I have a question for you. Do you ever sense my feelings when you open my mails? I do sometimes get feelings when I read peoples letters. Especially the first time I read the letter I can sometimes sense strong feelings.
Well, tonight I feel good. I hope you do to.
Yours A
Something happened today that I just have to tell you about.
I had just started my workout to strengthen my back and neck. Then I had a vision. It lasted only for a brief moment. But I think it is very important. If this showed the thruth than I am so relieved.
“I found myself sitting on my heels. The world around me was just shades of white. There were nothing to see as it was empty. The ground became sky without any noticeable line or horizon. A naked tree stood to the right beside a path leading nowhere. I stood up and turned around. Behind my back I saw a wall or a house. It had no openings and no structures on it. I immediately knew what it was. It was the maze that had hold me prisonor for so many years. I turn around again and looked around hesitating about what to do. There seemed to be no reason to leave the place as there was no place to go. No path to take. So I just sat down again waiting for something to happen. “
I think I have told you about the maze. How I have had the feeling of being in one. Always trying to find a way out of it. And everytime I thought I succeded I found a new wall in front of me. Imprisoned again. And now, for the fist time ever. I was outside the maze. Is it not wonderful?? So maybe you were right, looks like something happens to me after all.
Last summer when I was so trubbled I was angry and feeling like an obstinat teenager. I said to myself, I will never do anything again to try to get out of this maze or to be enlightened. I will sit in a corner, doing nothing, till I rotten. And in a way, that’s what I have been doing ever since then. AND NOW I AM OUT.
I wonder what will happen next. Who will take my hand and show me around in this new world??
I have a question for you. Do you ever sense my feelings when you open my mails? I do sometimes get feelings when I read peoples letters. Especially the first time I read the letter I can sometimes sense strong feelings.
Well, tonight I feel good. I hope you do to.
Yours A
2000-12-28
Reiki
During the autumn I started to get a lot of energy in my hands. I did not need gloves when it was cold because of it. I told my friend about it. He adviced me to go and learn healing in order to harnest the energy. I started to investigate the possibilities quite happy to might be able to help. This evening I was searching the Internet for classes in my area. After a while I suddenly got a “hit in my head”, like lightening striking from the right hand side and the words DON`T DO THIS!!! Really harsh screaming at me.
I was terrified. I thought it was a good thing to do and then I was “thrown into a wall as if I had been a small child doing forbidden things”. I cried.
It took another year before I started to investigate that matter again. I think the energy is rather strong. I started to try healing around X-mas time. Continuing for three months, I did it for my daughter and my father. But when both of them ended up in hospital I stoped. I had read a book on Reiki where they recommended a test. You should take a tomatoe, divide it in two and put them in two covered jars. Then one of them should receive Reiki twice a day. After two months both of them had dark dots on them and looked about the same. The difference was that the one that had recieved Reiki was a little mouldy and had less dark dots. Not much difference.
I was terrified. I thought it was a good thing to do and then I was “thrown into a wall as if I had been a small child doing forbidden things”. I cried.
It took another year before I started to investigate that matter again. I think the energy is rather strong. I started to try healing around X-mas time. Continuing for three months, I did it for my daughter and my father. But when both of them ended up in hospital I stoped. I had read a book on Reiki where they recommended a test. You should take a tomatoe, divide it in two and put them in two covered jars. Then one of them should receive Reiki twice a day. After two months both of them had dark dots on them and looked about the same. The difference was that the one that had recieved Reiki was a little mouldy and had less dark dots. Not much difference.
2000-04-24
Meditation on people
Heartchakra, Meditation on people
On the net I found a wise man in India, in this blog I´ll call him S. After a few mails
S suggested that my heartchakra was closed and gave me instructions on how to deal with it. I was told to go into meditation, then I should meditate on people I loved and people I disliked. I was supposed to change the feelings towards the disliked ones. To make it easier he recommended to start with the easy ones. Those you love.
I started out on april 23. I decided to start to meditate on my granddaughter as she was my oldest, 6 yrs. After a while she was in front of me. But then a hand gentley pushed her aside and my firstborn grandchild came in. He died at an age of 7 weeks. He sent me a mental message that he was the firstborn that I loved, he should be the first one. How true. He was soo welcome.
Next day I started the meditation and the third of my grandchildren wanted to be added to the crowd. After a while a fourth person came in, uninvited. Who it was? It was ME! Do I need to love and forgive myself??? Does not seem as I have to ad people. They comes by themself!
Well, after going through a lot of loved and liked ones I started with the “bad guys”. Grandpa first out. (See post 2006-06-25) I was greatly surprised when he appeared. First he was not alone and there was a table where he sat down. With my grandma behind him, as a guard!!! He was not allowed to see me alone. It was like one of those Jailsettings in a movie.
Well, continued with some other people. One a day as I meditated once a day at the time. The whole process took about 4 or 5 weeks.
A good one. (My grandson and my grandparents was dead, all others living)
Sidenote:
Two years later I told my granddaughter this story. She loved it. They often talk of this older brother and now she feels that she actually met him.
On the net I found a wise man in India, in this blog I´ll call him S. After a few mails
S suggested that my heartchakra was closed and gave me instructions on how to deal with it. I was told to go into meditation, then I should meditate on people I loved and people I disliked. I was supposed to change the feelings towards the disliked ones. To make it easier he recommended to start with the easy ones. Those you love.
I started out on april 23. I decided to start to meditate on my granddaughter as she was my oldest, 6 yrs. After a while she was in front of me. But then a hand gentley pushed her aside and my firstborn grandchild came in. He died at an age of 7 weeks. He sent me a mental message that he was the firstborn that I loved, he should be the first one. How true. He was soo welcome.
Next day I started the meditation and the third of my grandchildren wanted to be added to the crowd. After a while a fourth person came in, uninvited. Who it was? It was ME! Do I need to love and forgive myself??? Does not seem as I have to ad people. They comes by themself!
Well, after going through a lot of loved and liked ones I started with the “bad guys”. Grandpa first out. (See post 2006-06-25) I was greatly surprised when he appeared. First he was not alone and there was a table where he sat down. With my grandma behind him, as a guard!!! He was not allowed to see me alone. It was like one of those Jailsettings in a movie.
Well, continued with some other people. One a day as I meditated once a day at the time. The whole process took about 4 or 5 weeks.
A good one. (My grandson and my grandparents was dead, all others living)
Sidenote:
Two years later I told my granddaughter this story. She loved it. They often talk of this older brother and now she feels that she actually met him.
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