There is one thing that never been cleared.
What is the reason for this transformation? Why are we forced to go throu all these works and suffering in order to awaken?
Who benefits on that? And why is it needed?
-According to Rose it is “dangerous” not to want it is considered to be spiritual immature. But from that paper I read he does not mention why it is so damn important.
-Bunnie says that it is really no big deal. Talked about the methafor “mountin, no mountin again a mountain. What changes is that you never again get attached to the world. (if I understood it) so the world is real but not a nessessery.
But there has to be a reason for this kind of work. If there was just the ascension that some talk about, that could be taken care of with evolusion. Genes and stuff. Why is this kind of work so important? What benefits comes from that, and to whom? Why play this game with religions, dark nights and hitting my head and make me cry because they hurt my heart and eyes.
Why is the spiritual work so important they spoil my human life? I have found no reason for it.
What lies beyond all this? Why this way?
070904 evening
There must be a reason for why it´s done this way. I don´t buy what I´ve been told so far. To go throu all this trouble only because a change in perception? It does not make sense. There must be another agenda. There´s no way it can be worth all that pain.
When it comes to teens changing is due to hormones, does not seem to be in this case. So that is outruled.
Was thinking of looking into that lightworker stuff, but only to think of archeangels and ascensions and spiritual wars makes me VERY tired. Wonder why everyone is at war. :(
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2007-09-04
2007-06-16
Coming to en end??
I have finished reading that paper about R Rose as I decided to do.
I don´t know if it gave anything, maybe! Anyway I feel like I am finished now. There are no curiosity. I cant see what else there would be to learn about without actually transform. It seems like the “pushing” has decreased too. I have “learned” I guess but I have no clue really what I have learned or for what reason.
I don´t think I´ll write much on this blog for a while. We´ll see. Things can change. When those who was supposed to be awakened suddenly gets nuts and wants to continue, then you can never really know when and IF one EVER gets done.
For now it´s cool and I am happy about that.
So, now I am off to see my dad, he is probably in his last moments. Somehow I wish it was me.
I don´t know if it gave anything, maybe! Anyway I feel like I am finished now. There are no curiosity. I cant see what else there would be to learn about without actually transform. It seems like the “pushing” has decreased too. I have “learned” I guess but I have no clue really what I have learned or for what reason.
I don´t think I´ll write much on this blog for a while. We´ll see. Things can change. When those who was supposed to be awakened suddenly gets nuts and wants to continue, then you can never really know when and IF one EVER gets done.
For now it´s cool and I am happy about that.
So, now I am off to see my dad, he is probably in his last moments. Somehow I wish it was me.
2007-06-10
Calmed me. Yes!
Have read chapter 17, Revelation. Here the author qoutes bits from Roses books and own words. In this chapter is a description of Rose´s transformation.
And, suddenly, I became calm.
Yes!
I say YES to this!
And, suddenly, I became calm.
Yes!
I say YES to this!
2007-06-05
The Double
Rose in Meditation chapter13, still there, it’s a long chapter.
quote from the e-book:
"The principle of duality has been discussed several times thus far in a large, philosophical
sense. The form of self-study described here also allows one to recognize the experience of dualism in one’s own psychological processing of life—as versus direct experience with-out the reactive interpretation and projection—and to reconcile it. A good metaphor for the start of duality or mental division in our early life experience is that of a cassette tape that jams as the flow of tape gets stuck at some point on the rolling wheel, and then doubles up from that point on. One must follow the tape back to its initial point of stuckness and free it. Once the flow continues, there is only oneness of experience and no trace of there ever having been anything else (i.e. sin, suffering, separation, knowledge of good and evil). This reconciliation of one’s psychic splitting off, whether it resulted from a specific trauma which could not be fully processed and assimilated at the time it occurred or simply due to
the birth of the ego (within the individual mind, which is itself a more diffuse form of ego) in childhood, as previously explained, will be seen to directly relate to the ascendance of the observer up Jacob’s Ladder.
Meditation can then be described as having two simultaneous phases or dimensions to it: first, to define oneself properly as an individual human being by correcting the errors contaminating the ego-mind, and second, to back away from that self—and into the Observer. "
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This might have something to do with my “duality”. Have to look into that. Was it created during the period when I “run away” from granpa? It was a difficult time, when people did not realise what was going on and then wanted me to act in certain ways. My grandma was in trouble because he was angry as I revolted. My parents was also desturbed by what happened. And I could not tell.
I remember I hold “myself” tight to save “me”. Maybe that double was created then. Somehow I created a "cave" where "I" would be safe. I broke free physically, but not mentally. Seems like I now have to “put myself together, before I dismiss it”.
quote from the e-book:
"The principle of duality has been discussed several times thus far in a large, philosophical
sense. The form of self-study described here also allows one to recognize the experience of dualism in one’s own psychological processing of life—as versus direct experience with-out the reactive interpretation and projection—and to reconcile it. A good metaphor for the start of duality or mental division in our early life experience is that of a cassette tape that jams as the flow of tape gets stuck at some point on the rolling wheel, and then doubles up from that point on. One must follow the tape back to its initial point of stuckness and free it. Once the flow continues, there is only oneness of experience and no trace of there ever having been anything else (i.e. sin, suffering, separation, knowledge of good and evil). This reconciliation of one’s psychic splitting off, whether it resulted from a specific trauma which could not be fully processed and assimilated at the time it occurred or simply due to
the birth of the ego (within the individual mind, which is itself a more diffuse form of ego) in childhood, as previously explained, will be seen to directly relate to the ascendance of the observer up Jacob’s Ladder.
Meditation can then be described as having two simultaneous phases or dimensions to it: first, to define oneself properly as an individual human being by correcting the errors contaminating the ego-mind, and second, to back away from that self—and into the Observer. "
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This might have something to do with my “duality”. Have to look into that. Was it created during the period when I “run away” from granpa? It was a difficult time, when people did not realise what was going on and then wanted me to act in certain ways. My grandma was in trouble because he was angry as I revolted. My parents was also desturbed by what happened. And I could not tell.
I remember I hold “myself” tight to save “me”. Maybe that double was created then. Somehow I created a "cave" where "I" would be safe. I broke free physically, but not mentally. Seems like I now have to “put myself together, before I dismiss it”.
2007-06-02
Rose in Meditation chapter13
Finally it is starting to make some sense. I like this! It corresponds with my own ideas.
quote from the e-book:
. To pretend to turn away from the ego-self, while de facto still being at best only the thought of transcendence maintained by this same ego, is to be once again out-witted by the mind. This must be seen. On the other side of the paradox, however, this human self is not to be derisively (hånfullt) regarded as garbage to be thrown out or a sinner to be deprecated(ogillad), as this would still be another subtle form of identification within duality, implied by one’s desire to disassociate from it or repudiate (förkasta) it. This common religious attitude is dangerously misleading.
Personal delusion is better likened to a cancer of a body system, in which the objective is to locate the cause of the disease and remedy it, returning the organism to wholeness and vitality; not to cut out the offending body parts as if excommunicated.
The human being is not the Self, but it is evidently an intended part of its total manifestation. Nonduality in regards to the Self is to incorporate the “self” (purified of the ego that would inhabit it) as a part of the whole picture of reality too, and not something contrary to it. What is required is to allow it to be, truth-fully, as a relative, human self within its own domain—which is within the Self’s larger domain, yet to realize that one is not it.
quote from the e-book:
. To pretend to turn away from the ego-self, while de facto still being at best only the thought of transcendence maintained by this same ego, is to be once again out-witted by the mind. This must be seen. On the other side of the paradox, however, this human self is not to be derisively (hånfullt) regarded as garbage to be thrown out or a sinner to be deprecated(ogillad), as this would still be another subtle form of identification within duality, implied by one’s desire to disassociate from it or repudiate (förkasta) it. This common religious attitude is dangerously misleading.
Personal delusion is better likened to a cancer of a body system, in which the objective is to locate the cause of the disease and remedy it, returning the organism to wholeness and vitality; not to cut out the offending body parts as if excommunicated.
The human being is not the Self, but it is evidently an intended part of its total manifestation. Nonduality in regards to the Self is to incorporate the “self” (purified of the ego that would inhabit it) as a part of the whole picture of reality too, and not something contrary to it. What is required is to allow it to be, truth-fully, as a relative, human self within its own domain—which is within the Self’s larger domain, yet to realize that one is not it.
2007-05-31
R Rose- Sexuality and the Transmutation of Energy
Richard Rose’s Psychology of the Observer:
The Path to Reality Through the Self
by John Kent
Chapter 11.
oh my…..you have to read it to believe it.
R Rose don´t see to have much to offer for a woman. Have read “man” throughout the paper and here he actually says that Rose has only little knowledge of women search. But he certainly know how to use woman to justify male sexuality. And there are a lot of stuff that, kind of, takes responsibility of the male for his sexuality. Even blaming “evil entities on a different plane of stealing sexual energy”. Thus luring the poor man to sexual intercourse, spoiling all chanses to join with “Truth”.
o my´…………….
Quotes:
it could be argued that female homosexuality is primarily a pathological
overreaction to male failure.
As has been explained, 99% of sex has nothing to do with sex, but is the desperate, futile grasping at some compensation for spiritual poverty.
“Sex is the plaything of (unhappy) animals (who are too tired to fight, or think). Chastity is the right of kings.”
The sexual ideal on the most concentrated, kamikaze phase of the path is chastity and an androgynous mind. Rose states the aim should be temporary, total abstinence from the conscious sex act; “temporary” meaning the number of years it takes to achieve one’s spiritual goal, and the rest of this key phrase simply meaning taking a deliberate vacation from the Nature-game to reside in a special grace period reserved for those who need the free space to seek Nature’s Master, and entrusting to the body that its own internal mechanism will regulate itself while in this neutral state, with no willful, ego intervention born of desire. He has on occasion tempered this ideal by saying that a moderate compromise with Nature is grudgingly allowable after some point of spiritual maturity and intuition has been reached.
He agrees with traditional yogic teachings in recommending moral sexual relations once a month within a committed relationship, if unavoidable or seemingly planned by fate, so long as it occurs without identification or psychological need. There is said to be some benefit to the woman in such an arrangement in supplementing her own vital energy, the energy dynamic involved in such natural sex being analogous to using a car battery with the engine running, which recharges it.
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in line with the Law of Progression, that there exist in another dimension, inter-penetrating our own visible one, something he will only call “entities”: beings of some intelligence and willfulness that are a part of Nature and who feed on the vital energy of humans
Furthermore, why would Nature—presumably designed by a Higher Intelligence—contain within it adverse forces that would thwart humanity from reconnecting with that Higher Intelligence?
The full truth of the matter to which the circumstantial evidence points will only become known when all is known.
Rose insists: “I know that there are entities and that they are as real as this physical dimension, and possibly equally as illusory in the final analysis”
The Path to Reality Through the Self
by John Kent
Chapter 11.
oh my…..you have to read it to believe it.
R Rose don´t see to have much to offer for a woman. Have read “man” throughout the paper and here he actually says that Rose has only little knowledge of women search. But he certainly know how to use woman to justify male sexuality. And there are a lot of stuff that, kind of, takes responsibility of the male for his sexuality. Even blaming “evil entities on a different plane of stealing sexual energy”. Thus luring the poor man to sexual intercourse, spoiling all chanses to join with “Truth”.
o my´…………….
Quotes:
it could be argued that female homosexuality is primarily a pathological
overreaction to male failure.
As has been explained, 99% of sex has nothing to do with sex, but is the desperate, futile grasping at some compensation for spiritual poverty.
“Sex is the plaything of (unhappy) animals (who are too tired to fight, or think). Chastity is the right of kings.”
The sexual ideal on the most concentrated, kamikaze phase of the path is chastity and an androgynous mind. Rose states the aim should be temporary, total abstinence from the conscious sex act; “temporary” meaning the number of years it takes to achieve one’s spiritual goal, and the rest of this key phrase simply meaning taking a deliberate vacation from the Nature-game to reside in a special grace period reserved for those who need the free space to seek Nature’s Master, and entrusting to the body that its own internal mechanism will regulate itself while in this neutral state, with no willful, ego intervention born of desire. He has on occasion tempered this ideal by saying that a moderate compromise with Nature is grudgingly allowable after some point of spiritual maturity and intuition has been reached.
He agrees with traditional yogic teachings in recommending moral sexual relations once a month within a committed relationship, if unavoidable or seemingly planned by fate, so long as it occurs without identification or psychological need. There is said to be some benefit to the woman in such an arrangement in supplementing her own vital energy, the energy dynamic involved in such natural sex being analogous to using a car battery with the engine running, which recharges it.
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in line with the Law of Progression, that there exist in another dimension, inter-penetrating our own visible one, something he will only call “entities”: beings of some intelligence and willfulness that are a part of Nature and who feed on the vital energy of humans
Furthermore, why would Nature—presumably designed by a Higher Intelligence—contain within it adverse forces that would thwart humanity from reconnecting with that Higher Intelligence?
The full truth of the matter to which the circumstantial evidence points will only become known when all is known.
Rose insists: “I know that there are entities and that they are as real as this physical dimension, and possibly equally as illusory in the final analysis”
2007-05-25
Fear of death
Still reading that paper about R Rose. The first chapters made me angry, now in chapter 9 I am so bored. First, the man writing the paper is comparing Rose with every other teacher he can find. It is like Roses teachings cant “stand on its own two legs”. If this teaching is truly pure, it need no comparisons to prove it is real. People who reads it or listen to it would know from inside if it is a true one.
Now they are talking about the body again. How many pages does it take to explain we normally think we are the body ? And, do people really believe that? So far there has been no talking about what I see as relevant. Do you define yourself as the body or as the mind? In this book it seems they like the body. I don´t think people define themselves as a body that much. This only feels like blablabla…to me. Can´t they stop talking and get down to business?
And the eternal question of DEATH. Is all this just a question of mind fearing death? I start to think so. Everywhere in this search it comes to eternal life and cheating death. What is The Absolute, the final Truth? Just a way of escaping “true death”? Mind/ego fooling itself to believe in eternal existence?
Oh my…………..why are they so damned afraid of death?
Now they are talking about the body again. How many pages does it take to explain we normally think we are the body ? And, do people really believe that? So far there has been no talking about what I see as relevant. Do you define yourself as the body or as the mind? In this book it seems they like the body. I don´t think people define themselves as a body that much. This only feels like blablabla…to me. Can´t they stop talking and get down to business?
And the eternal question of DEATH. Is all this just a question of mind fearing death? I start to think so. Everywhere in this search it comes to eternal life and cheating death. What is The Absolute, the final Truth? Just a way of escaping “true death”? Mind/ego fooling itself to believe in eternal existence?
Oh my…………..why are they so damned afraid of death?
2007-05-16
Sitting here
Decided to have my breakfast in front of the computer. I decided that I should read the paper about Rose as soon as possible so I can concentrate on other things.
So far I have read about 70 pages out of about 350. And it just makes me uncomfortable. All those demands on determination, making woves and such, makes me in a bad mode. I don´t have that. It is not in my path. If that is a requirement…..why the hell am I here???????
Why can´t I go about it in such a way as grim does? He is like a kid looking for a new toy. Hoping to fine it every turn he makes. With so much expectations and gladness, so sure it will bring him “home”.
And then Steve made a comment to my blog (in the shortcut entry), saying that it might take only hours to learn “what we truly are”. And it is hard because we decided that it is. To be honest, it pissed me off. I can´t decide about things I am not aware of.
I started to read this paper, and I will, but I think it will take me off that path.So, I´ll finish it as soon as possible. Getting it overwith. Because, so far it has been nothing new, same old, same old, and I don´t expect any wonders. But, maybe I can be able to leave this.
Why does it make me feel guilty? It has done everything it can to make me hate it! And WHY do I have this damned feeling that I KNOW but still can´t penetrate the vail?
So far I have read about 70 pages out of about 350. And it just makes me uncomfortable. All those demands on determination, making woves and such, makes me in a bad mode. I don´t have that. It is not in my path. If that is a requirement…..why the hell am I here???????
Why can´t I go about it in such a way as grim does? He is like a kid looking for a new toy. Hoping to fine it every turn he makes. With so much expectations and gladness, so sure it will bring him “home”.
And then Steve made a comment to my blog (in the shortcut entry), saying that it might take only hours to learn “what we truly are”. And it is hard because we decided that it is. To be honest, it pissed me off. I can´t decide about things I am not aware of.
I started to read this paper, and I will, but I think it will take me off that path.So, I´ll finish it as soon as possible. Getting it overwith. Because, so far it has been nothing new, same old, same old, and I don´t expect any wonders. But, maybe I can be able to leave this.
Why does it make me feel guilty? It has done everything it can to make me hate it! And WHY do I have this damned feeling that I KNOW but still can´t penetrate the vail?
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