Karma conversation

All those mailproblems with sending to chip made me ask grim about karma. Made it the topic of the day. lol

A: what is ur take on karma
g:how do you mean?
A: is it real
g: ok, here's the thing, karma is cause and effect
so of course within the realm of anything of cause and effect
it's real
A: so, is there a goal to fulfill in once life
g: remember that thing i explained
about Dreaming (phenomenal world) that dreams a Dreamer (mind/body) dreaming a Dream (individual experience)
karma applies to all of that
but, seeing as how being Awake is what it is
if Awake isn't spontaneously realized as it is
then, karma is a utilization to realize it
so, if you ask if there is something someone i supposed to do in one's life
that's it
A: ok
so, if this is for real, then I have made an agreement to achieve something, correct
but I have no clue of what it is
g: if you have made that agreement,
i mean, you can change your mind if you want
A: can I
g: sure, but essentially
if at the time you are "changing your mind"
if it is not deeper than the level that you made the agreement on
then your mind isn't really going to be changed
obviously
its like
if you've said, "tomorrow, i REALLY want to eat cheese"
and then during the rest of the day
you're like,
well, maybe i dont want to eat cheese
and then you're like, "well, i actually dont think i want to eat cheese, i'm going to eat crackers instead"
but if that decision, was not actually deeper than your first decision
then you're going to eat cheese
then
you're going to think you didn't have a choice
and you were driven to eat cheese
A: but in this case I did not even know I wanted cheese
g: no, somewhere along the line
you wanted it
and you asked for it
cause and effect
something isn't choosing something for you
that's not how it works
it might seem that way
but that's not what's really going on
for example
let's take the cheese analogy and deepen
what if it was a month ago or something
and you totally forget
that you said that
A: ok
g: then you're eating cheese
and ur like, "i didn't even want this, i wanted crackers"
but that wasn't really the case
it only seems like it
we kinda had this conversation a little bit last time, about how uh
you said, that you were driven towards this and you didn't have a choice
and then i said, well if you know you dont have a choice, then why be mad?
A: because if I made a choice to achieve something, then why am I not allowed to do it MY way
g:because this is the same thing
because
if the choice to achieve that thing, is greater than wanting to do it your way,
then the choice to achieve that, (whatever it entails) takes precedence
so essentially
if you want to achieve that, no matter what it entails, then that is greater than the want to do it your way
and besides
actually, you are doing it your way,
by wanting to achieve that, no matter what it entails

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g: we're going back to what we said earlier
just because you can't remmeber that you asked for that thing
additionally
it should be noted
that even if you can't remember, it's still happening
soooo
ultimatly, there's nothing to complain about
its no bigs
just take stock, and move forward
A: its just that soo much time is wasted only to figure out what the hell I´m supposed to do, when I am not in charge
g: no, much of your time is wasted, because you're trying to figure out what to do how you want to do it
A: pretty much the same
g: yea, so stop that
lol

thanks grim